tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post6759195518919502126..comments2024-03-17T13:46:21.353-04:00Comments on The Armchair Squid: Squid Flicks: Star Trek IV: The Voyage HomeThe Armchair Squidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13509001761075530940noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-21331812720624356242019-09-22T21:04:50.617-04:002019-09-22T21:04:50.617-04:00Exactly. This story, in particular, definitely st...Exactly. This story, in particular, definitely stretches the limits of believability. Some would say that's the job of speculative fiction but I disagree. Even an invented world must operate within its own rules to be believed.The Armchair Squidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509001761075530940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-17404621618431008392019-09-22T21:02:57.872-04:002019-09-22T21:02:57.872-04:00Weird, right? I can see later-career Eddie Murphy...Weird, right? I can see later-career Eddie Murphy making it work, though.The Armchair Squidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509001761075530940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-37639436174867066372019-09-22T16:04:57.379-04:002019-09-22T16:04:57.379-04:00I never looked at Voyage Home so well. I loved the...I never looked at Voyage Home so well. I loved the whalers being taken aback. McCoy popping a magic pill into the old lady whose kidneys were failing made me happy. But a giant invisible starship sitting in the middle of a park? One of those ??s. Oh, come one.Susan Kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09834094675218254410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-6621189918239464212019-09-22T09:36:06.807-04:002019-09-22T09:36:06.807-04:00I've been thinking about this film lately, pro...I've been thinking about this film lately, probably because I've been hearing a lot about the Right Whale and how few are left. I can't quite imagine Eddie Murphy in a Star Trek movie.mshatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06308916014310536449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-83145585443594219182019-09-22T07:25:16.005-04:002019-09-22T07:25:16.005-04:00Glad you enjoyed it.Glad you enjoyed it.The Armchair Squidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509001761075530940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-92156133461968923402019-09-22T07:25:03.001-04:002019-09-22T07:25:03.001-04:00Oh, I'm definitely having fun! Even with the ...Oh, I'm definitely having fun! Even with the hiatus, I feel I've been building up to a return to Trek for a long time. I am finding I have quite a lot to say.The Armchair Squidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509001761075530940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-82424762747333000632019-09-22T07:22:20.439-04:002019-09-22T07:22:20.439-04:00Sure, later in the life of the franchise, efforts ...Sure, later in the life of the franchise, efforts were made to clean all of this up. But if anything, it's a solution that reveals the problem: this is a well which, especially later, Trek went to way too often and without much consideration for continuity or narrative integrity. As I recall, there's even a tongue-in-cheek joke made by Braxton in a Voyager episode about the characters engaging in too many of these shenanigans.<br /><br />That said, all of the temporal clean up business is worthy of a spinoff series in its own right. But if they were to do it, I'd want them to do it right, following more of a Doctor Who or Quantum Leap pattern rather than the all-too-typical Trek free form: hope for the best, someone else will clean up the mess if we screw up. It could even be a fun way to revisit a lot of the old stories AND create new ones.<br /><br />I disagree with you on this movie bringing Trek back to Trek but perhaps that is because it exemplifies my gripes with the series. And I disagree with you that the story is sound. But... it's fun. The movie works because it's fun. It was a better vehicle than any of its predecessors for reaching beyond the faithful. It served that purpose most effectively.The Armchair Squidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509001761075530940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-15943121816677052482019-09-21T18:35:01.966-04:002019-09-21T18:35:01.966-04:00Wow, I like this post with all the interesting inf...Wow, I like this post with all the interesting information on the series. Nasreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10903012810404786521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-81092607336333905062019-09-21T17:18:32.629-04:002019-09-21T17:18:32.629-04:00I always thought this was a movie where they took ...I always thought this was a movie where they took lots of leftover ideas and threw them at a board what stuck they made a movie from. I didn't follow the movie series so I really can't say how good the serie is as a whole or strange the whole stealing of whales so aliens can talk to them is. <br />You look like you are having fun with this posts.<br />parsnipangryparsniphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17236094827257446781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-21278655945236225112019-09-21T15:56:11.809-04:002019-09-21T15:56:11.809-04:00In Deep Space Nine (the Department of Temporal Inv...In <i>Deep Space Nine</i> (the Department of Temporal Investigations), <i>Voyager</i> (Captain Braxton), and <i>Enterprise</i> (Daniels and the Temporal Cold War), time travel is...a headache, and later in Starfleet lore, actually a part of its mandate. Generally, you can assume that if someone screwed up the timeline, someone else (as Kirk does in "City on the Edge of Forever") undoes the damage. So, in the current logic of time travel, if it happened, and time travel becomes involved, time travel was <i>always</i> involved. So Scotty helped the dude discover it, and George & Gracie were always destined to go "back to the future." (<i>Enterprise</i> all but implies that if Picard <i>didn't</i> intervene on Cochrane's behalf in <i>First Contact</i>, that was basically the secret origin of the Mirror Universe.)<br /><br />Yeah, I try to connect the dots. <br /><br />But I don't worry too much about plot logic when the story itself is sound. And <i>Voyage Home</i> is basically sound, with a thoroughly Roddenberryesque interest in humanity's ability to understand its best interests. Interestingly, this time humanity is actually supplanted by the whales in terms of importance. The technical schematics of Picard's Enterprise actually had a whale somewhere aboard. Just imagine a revamp featuring it prominently! Could be something like Pilot in <i>Farscape</i> (I wonder if that's where the series got the idea?)<br /><br />I think <i>Voyage Home</i> was more or less an excellent excuse to spotlight what made these characters so memorable. A similar attempt was made in <i>Final Frontier</i>, but focusing more squarely on the familiar lead trio, which is how it's best understood. Tony Laplumehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07854455859399339169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-27484783319933712342019-09-21T06:10:05.810-04:002019-09-21T06:10:05.810-04:00Thanks. I grew up on Star Wars. Star Trek has be...Thanks. I grew up on Star Wars. Star Trek has become my middle age obsession. There is time in life for all sorts of things.The Armchair Squidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509001761075530940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-66491940117378613482019-09-20T22:09:20.915-04:002019-09-20T22:09:20.915-04:00Honestly, I almost forget the Star Trek stories, e...Honestly, I almost forget the Star Trek stories, except time travel.<br />If I have time, I'll revisit all of them.<br /><br />Thank you for well written synopsis.Tanza Erlambanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13033202053400016976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-85730174176807847262019-09-20T20:16:58.015-04:002019-09-20T20:16:58.015-04:00The Uhura/Chekov storyline is a fun one.The Uhura/Chekov storyline is a fun one.The Armchair Squidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509001761075530940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-29727689767686652202019-09-20T20:09:44.599-04:002019-09-20T20:09:44.599-04:00I get it. Suspension of disbelief is an unusually...I get it. Suspension of disbelief is an unusually big leap with this movie.The Armchair Squidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509001761075530940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-63980147348956892412019-09-20T20:09:14.577-04:002019-09-20T20:09:14.577-04:00I would entertain a discussion of #1 over #3. My ...I would entertain a discussion of #1 over #3. My main issue with the first movie, story aside, is that it doesn't quite feel like Star Trek. The high-budget production is TOO slick. I just want my boxy show on the big screen. #2 is perfect. #3 feels closer.The Armchair Squidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509001761075530940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-85329052143310589322019-09-20T18:24:20.091-04:002019-09-20T18:24:20.091-04:00Delightful post! Excellent synopsis! The film stan...Delightful post! Excellent synopsis! The film stands out in my mind and parts get associated with life since its mid-'80s appearance. Whenever I'm asked for directions in San Francisco, I always think of Uhura and Chekov appealing to a policeman and passersby for directions to the Alameda Naval Shipyard, where the "Nuclear WESSELS" are kept.Geo.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16221314320558128986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-2691609285132005012019-09-20T10:04:22.010-04:002019-09-20T10:04:22.010-04:00When this one came out, it was my least favorite. ...When this one came out, it was my least favorite. Probably due to the time travel, thought I don't remember. I just remember thinking it was dumb. Which is how I usually react to time travel in Trek.Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8586403344533829376.post-21970900267515932882019-09-20T07:11:40.506-04:002019-09-20T07:11:40.506-04:00Yeah, I agree with your assessment and yet, I love...Yeah, I agree with your assessment and yet, I love this film even though the ending made me laugh...Spock was smiling while all were in some tank in LA. The scenes of the in some storm then cutting to the whales in open water with bright skies made me laugh. The whales seemed to have swum very fast to the open ocean away from SAN Francisco Bay. Oh well, who cares, it was very funny and I loved the hospital scene and the dinner scene. I would flip Star Trek 3 to the bottom and the first to 3rd positionBirgithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09439720285857050428noreply@blogger.com